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Reader Case Examine: Empty Nest in Denver, Transferring to The Dominican Republic?


Leigh is a diabetes educator residing in Denver, CO. Her youngsters are on the cusp of maturity and he or she’s trying round her soon-to-be empty nest, contemplating her choices. She’d prefer to downsize to a smaller dwelling in her similar Denver neighborhood and is fascinated by exploring the potential for shopping for a second dwelling in The Dominican Republic. Leigh desires to proceed her work, a ardour she feels referred to as to, however would get pleasure from lowering her hours. Let’s assist Leigh determine this subsequent chapter of her life!

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With that I’ll let Leigh, immediately’s Case Examine topic, take it from right here!

Leigh’s Story

Leigh portrait 2022, drawn by a affected person. I really like working with youngsters!

Hello Frugalwoods, I’m Leigh and I’m a 49-year-old diabetes educator residing in Denver, CO. I’ve been amicably divorced since 2019, when my associate and I made a decision that our child-raising was principally completed and we had been coming to a pure finish of our marriage. Our youngsters are 21 and 19, and are my largest pleasure and precedence in life. Getting them launched nicely in life with assist, love, and as a lot steering as attainable, has been my primary precedence for a few years. Once we divorced, I purchased my associate out of his fairness in our dwelling so I might maintain the household dwelling. It’s the one dwelling my youngsters have recognized since they had been 6 and 4.

It’s been an incredible scenario for the previous few years, as my youngsters have been dwelling greater than I ever anticipated (as a consequence of COVID and distant studying being in impact for every of them at completely different occasions). I’ve additionally actually loved having our dwelling be an area for them to relaxation and chill out throughout their school summers and breaks. My oldest graduated with their BA a couple of months in the past, and is at the moment residing at dwelling and making use of for grad college to begin within the fall. They’re pleasant and I’m having fun with what stands out as the final time they reside at dwelling for an prolonged time! My child is a sophomore in school finding out engineering at a state college, and lives in school with their roommates. I’ve two senior cats, George and Lucy, who’ve been our household pets for a few years, and provides me a lot enjoyment, particularly with the periodic empty nest I’ve skilled over the previous few years.

Leigh’s Group and Hobbies

Along with my fantastic youngsters and a job I actually love, I really feel fortunate to reside in a neighborhood of fabulous neighbors. Now we have e-book membership, coffees, a neighborhood park, library, strolling trails, and a neighborhood of caring individuals. Anybody in my circle who wants meals, pet-sitting, or simply basic care will get taken care of by a loving group of neighbors. My cat-sitter lives down the road, I bartered yard work in change for storing a neighbor’s trailer on my further parking area, I learn over 50 books per yr without cost courtesy of my library department’s fabulous inter-library mortgage system, and I stroll most days when the climate is good and see neighbors out doing the identical. I’m additionally very lucky that two of my sisters reside close by and we see one another continuously and are an exquisite assist system for each other.

My hobbies are studying, climbing, meditation and yoga, watching nice sequence on Netflix, and consuming espresso and/or wine with associates. I’m grateful to have a wholesome physique and a wholesome neighborhood. Colorado has so many hikes and I’m having enjoyable exploring completely different ones! I additionally love thrifting and am extra dedicated than ever to purchasing most issues ethically or second-hand.

Certainly one of my largest passions is journey to the Dominican Republic. I’ve been going to the identical space for a few years and have developed a love for my associates there and the individuals and tradition. I hope to reside there part-time once I retire, and one among my objectives for the subsequent 5 years is to purchase both land and construct a house, or purchase a house, and spend a few weeks per yr there with my associates who are actually like household.

What feels most urgent proper now? What brings you to submit a Case Examine?

1) Profession:

Leigh’s midlife disaster tattoo, “love”

My profession is fulfilling and I really like what I do. I’ve no plans to retire early at this level. I’m at an exquisite diabetes middle with an incredible neighborhood and, as a pure helper and educator, I really feel a powerful sense of mission and goal in my work. I’ve at all times been a bilingual (Spanish) educator so I really feel notably referred to as to working with our Spanish-speaking shoppers.

Previous to my divorce, I labored three days per week, for a complete of 30 hours. I’ve been lucky to maneuver to full-time work inside my present place; nevertheless, I miss the pliability and further day off I loved once I was working 3 ten-hour shifts per week. I moved to full-time to have the ability to afford all my bills, notably my mortgage, and really feel fortunate to have completed so over the previous couple of years. Nevertheless, with the latest adjustments in my mortgage, in addition to potential future downsizing, I’m wondering if I would return to my lighter work schedule.

If I decreased to 30 hours per week, my wage can be $3,300/month.

2) Downsizing:

My different query, generally, has to do with ultimately downsizing. My objective, for the reason that divorce, has been to maintain the home till each of my youngsters are in their very own locations and graduated from school. My mother and father at all times allowed me to maneuver dwelling throughout school and I so appreciated this stability throughout a time in my life that was stuffed with change and I hope to proceed to supply this for my younger grownup youngsters. Additionally, I’m very connected to my home and my neighborhood. And there aren’t many smaller locations close by. Denver’s housing market is insane proper now, the costs are excessive throughout the board and there’s a really small stock of houses on the market. Persons are usually telling tales of sellers having a number of money gives for nicely above asking worth. Whereas this is able to be wonderful for me on the promoting finish, it might be tough on the shopping for finish. Moreover, I’d want to remain in my home for not less than one other 2 years, till my child has their BS diploma accomplished. Plus I’m choosy about staying adjoining to my present neighborhood, as that is the place a lot of my shut neighborhood is.

My house is estimated to be value $630k-650k. Denver dwelling costs are bananas proper now! I purchased this dwelling in 2007 for $290k. The townhomes I’m fascinated by are within the $550k-$600k vary. Additionally bananas. I’m fairly ambivalent about downsizing proper now given the excessive worth of a townhome.

3) The Dominican Republic:

In one among my most cherished locations, the Dominican Republic, visiting family and friends

Associated to this query is my need to probably purchase or construct a small place within the DR. I believe it is perhaps attainable before I believe, though I’m a reasonably risk-averse individual. However a lot of my associates who reside there are in development, so I believe I might rent a few of them. I additionally surprise about hiring a few of my associates to be caretakers of the house and presumably utilizing the area as an AirBnb. I do know nothing about any of this and haven’t completed a lot analysis–I’m within the “dreaming” stage at this level.

An expensive relative handed away throughout COVID and left me a big inheritance. I’m so appreciative of this unbelievable generosity, and used the present to repay my mortgage. I now have the peace of thoughts of proudly owning my dwelling and never having to fret about paying my mortgage funds! I acknowledge the immense privilege of this case and am grateful for my household.

What’s the most effective a part of your present life-style/routine?

  • Working 4 days per week at a job I really like and really feel referred to as to
  • Well being and bodily talents: climbing, yoga, walks, and sustaining my dwelling and yard (with some assist from Activity Rabbit contractors)
  • Children who’re doing nicely and thriving in class and life
  • Pals close by for hangouts deliberate and spontaneous
  • Being in command of my very own private finances and area. I really like a tidy dwelling area and am a homebody at coronary heart
  • Reference to my sisters
  • Yearly journey to the DR (paid for final time with bank card factors)
  • A few yearly smaller journeys to see associates in CA and NM
  • Time to learn

What’s the worst a part of your present life-style/routine?

The place Leigh Needs to be in Ten Years:

1)    Funds:

  • Saving sufficient for retirement
  • Not harassed about daily bills
  • Residing in a smaller dwelling that’s close to my present neighborhood

2)    Life-style:

  • Working at my present job
  • Touring extra usually to the DR
  • Climbing and catching up with associates each regionally and in different places
  • Having fun with my grown youngsters, sisters and prolonged household

3)    Profession:

  • Persevering with to excel in my profession and to interact with my sufferers and colleagues

Leigh’s Funds


Merchandise Quantity Notes
Job $4,458 Internet take dwelling after deductions for 401K, healthcare, life insurance coverage and incapacity insurance coverage
Youngster assist $200 Month-to-month till youngest graduates from school, was $400 per 30 days till 2021 when our oldest acquired their bachelor’s diploma, which was our settlement, our youngsters reside with me in our household dwelling when they aren’t at school (on breaks, throughout summers)
Month-to-month subtotal: $4,658
Annual whole: $55,896

Mortgage: none, paid off

Money owed: none


Merchandise Quantity Notes Curiosity/kind of securities held/Inventory ticker Identify of financial institution/brokerage Expense Ratio
Dwelling $630,000 Paid off my mortgage in 202. I acknowledge my privilege in that household items helped me repay the steadiness of my mortgage, in addition to my excessive success of being a home-owner in the course of the loopy market features previously 20 years, notably the previous 15 years in metro Denver.

My house is estimated to be value $630k-650k. Denver dwelling costs are bananas proper now! I purchased this dwelling in 2007 for $290k.

TIAA-CREF work 401K $165,000 Invested in a focused retirement fund that grows extra conservative the nearer I get to a predicted retirement age of 65 TIAA-CREF
Thrivent retirement account Conventional IRA $140,442 Reasonably aggressive allocation Thrivent
Thrivent retirement account Roth IRA $68,622 Reasonably aggressive allocation Thrivent
Thrivent annuity $94,000 Thrivent deferred variable annuity
Thrivent brokerage account $52,000
Money: emergency fund $25,800 I switch $625 per 30 days into this account. Common financial savings Wells Fargo
Money: checking $4,400
Money: escrow account for insurance coverage and taxes $3,750 I maintain this small financial savings account to pay my annual bills of property taxes and insurance coverage since I don’t’ have a mortgage
Complete: $1,184,014


Automobile make, mannequin, yr Valued at Mileage Paid off?
Subaru Outback 2018 $20,800 44,000 Sure! I prefer to joke that that is the requisite automotive for residing in CO, particularly should you prefer to hike or do outdoor issues!


Merchandise Quantity Notes
Taxes and property insurance coverage $750 I’m my very own escrow account!
Groceries $394 Varies: as excessive as $700 when each youngsters dwelling, as little as $250 when simply me on trip for half the month!
Dwelling utilities: water, sewer, electrical, photo voltaic, compost, trash and recycle $302 water-73, electrical -93 (would possibly go down this yr, photo voltaic was new as of 8/2021, I’m leasing the system), solar-60, trash and recycle 17,(paid yearly, with a reduction)  curbside compost -28 (superior program that allows you to compost all the things together with meat, bones, oil, and it’s weekly curbside drop-off and pickup of a bucket! ) , sewer -31
Automobile: gasoline, oil adjustments, upkeep, registration $252 Gasoline- 95, oil change- 16, registration- 25, repairs 116 (4 new tires and a few brake and differential repairs)
Eating places $230 Decrease when it’s simply me, larger when my youngsters are dwelling and I wish to rejoice and deal with them. This additionally consists of espresso with associates and dates.
Dwelling upkeep $228 Fridge substitute, furnace annual service, storage door restore, sprinkler system restore, garden care, dryer vent clear out, biannual garden cleanup (paying somebody to assist with that) and residential provides like followers, lightbulbs, vacuum luggage, cleansing provides, and so on.
Costco $200 Month-to-month stock-up on espresso, cat litter, rest room paper and some different fundamentals
Insurance coverage: auto $175 paid each six months by means of USAA with a prepayment low cost
Charitable Giving $160 To assist associates within the DR, to an immigrant authorized fund by means of my church
Trip $120 A number of journeys to NM to see my school child, a staycation with my sisters and cousin, a visit to the DR (lengthy overdue) to see associates. I booked flights with factors.
Items $103 Christmas, birthdays, a few graduations, so blessed to have the ability to rejoice with so many family members this yr!
Miscellaneous $87 Skincare merchandise (I purchase good stuff, I’m actually hooked on skincare), postage, care packages for my school youngsters, cat sitter, uber and airport parking, commencement bulletins for my school child!
Healthcare (physician and dentist copays) $87 Copays for myself and my two college-aged youngsters who’re insured underneath my plan, we’re comparatively wholesome and I’m so grateful, we had a few pressing care and one ED copay this yr, consists of PT and remedy copays
Pet care $70 Meals, litter, and vet visits for George and Lucy
Healthcare: my contacts and glasses $66 Yearly contact provide, purchased new glasses this yr, plus examination (not low cost for middle-aged individuals)
Therapeutic massage $60 month-to-month
Clothes $52 I purchased a brand new leather-based purse from a sustainable firm, changed my 13-year-old Danskos, purchased a brand new (on clearance) pair of climbing boots, and principally thrift or get hand me downs for all the things else (have been shopping for used for years, the thrifting scene is wonderful right here in CO).
Wine $45 Fancy boxed wine for my nightly glass of crimson
Telephone- two telephones by means of Republic wi-fi $43 Mine and my child’s telephones
Web $40 By way of Century Hyperlink
Pedicure $40 month-to-month
Espresso $40 Espresso out. I drink quite a lot of espresso. I convey it from dwelling to work a good quantity however actually get pleasure from almond milk lattes within the pm at work.
Tax prep $18 paid a professional to do that for me
Dwelling décor $15 Largely candles, I’ve a tiny drawback
Haircut $15 my haircut, $60 3 times per yr
Subscriptions $9 NYT digital (should do the spelling bee daily) and Sojourner, I share Hulu with my sister
Month-to-month subtotal: $3,601
Annual whole: $43,212

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Leigh’s Questions For You:

1) Is my timeline of planning to downsize to a smaller dwelling in two years affordable? Or ought to I do it sooner?

  • My present house is estimated to be value $630k-650k. I purchased this home in 2007 for $290k. My mortgage is paid off.
  • The townhomes I’m fascinated by are within the $550k-$600k vary.

2) Can I afford my Dominican Republic dream dwelling?

3) Can I afford to chop again to 30 hours per week?

  • If I decreased to 30 hours per week, my take-home pay can be $3,300/month.

Liz Frugalwoods’ Suggestions

I really like that Leigh got here to me for a Case Examine at this juncture in her life. She’s completed an incredible job along with her funds up thus far and I’m assured we can assist her chart a sustainable path ahead. I believe the overarching theme for Leigh is that she will be able to do a number of the issues she desires to do, however not all of them, and never all on the similar time. Let’s discover!

Leigh’s Query #1: Is my timeline of planning to downsize to a smaller dwelling in two years affordable? Or ought to I do it sooner?

Leigh’s favourite mug- given as a present by her oldest little one, a motto for all times and motherhood.

This can be a powerful one. Usually, downsizing saves you cash, however on this case:

  1. Leigh’s home is paid off and represents a big proportion of her web value.
  2. Smaller houses in her space value virtually precisely the identical quantity as her present dwelling.

Provided that, there’s actually no profit to downsizing.

Sometimes, the explanation to downsize is to liberate extra of your belongings as you age: you don’t want as a lot home, so that you promote your large home and purchase a less expensive, smaller dwelling. However in Leigh’s desired space of Denver, she’d basically get a smaller home for a similar worth, with all of the hassles and bills of promoting, shopping for and shifting. I perceive the will to reside in a smaller place, but it surely doesn’t appear to be there’s any monetary upside to doing so. If something, it’d be a monetary detriment.

Nevertheless, if Leigh is ready to discover a smaller place that prices WAY lower than her present dwelling, that will seemingly be an incredible monetary determination. If, for instance, she needed to promote and transfer to a decrease value of residing space, that would work in her favor. It’s a vendor’s market and it’s arduous to say what is going to occur with housing costs sooner or later.

One other thought: if Leigh actually desires to unload her home throughout this sizzling market, she might promote it after which lease a smaller place till she finds an reasonably priced smaller dwelling to purchase. Nevertheless, that entails a good quantity of disruption and not using a assured pay-off.

Leigh’s Query #2: Can I afford my Dominican Republic dream dwelling?

I don’t know. We don’t have sufficient info to adequately reply this one. This can be a nice space for Leigh to dig into analysis!

  1. Summer time entrance porch studying at Leigh’s home

    How a lot are houses within the area she’s fascinated by?

  2. Would she qualify for a mortgage within the DR or would she want to purchase a house in all money?
  3. How a lot are taxes and insurance coverage on a house within the DR?
  4. What are the opposite authorized ramifications of proudly owning a property there?
  5. How a lot wouldn’t it value to rent a caretaker to look in on the house whereas she’s in a foreign country?
  6. What are the legal guidelines governing AirBnB leases (referral hyperlink).
  7. How a lot might she lease the property out for?
  8. How a lot is a cleansing service for cleansing the property in between company?

Tons to discover! If Leigh runs the numbers and is ready to buy a property that will be a cash-flowing funding, that might be an incredible choice. Nevertheless, she will be able to’t–at current–afford the carrying prices of two houses that don’t generate income.

The opposite consideration is whether or not or not she’d be capable to lease out her Denver dwelling whereas within the DR? It’s a tricky monetary proposition to personal two houses and have one standing empty whilst you’re on the different. On the very least, she’d have to lease out one–if not each–to remain solvent.

Additionally, if Leigh remains to be working full-time, I’m questioning how a lot time she’d be capable to spend within the DR? If it’s only a week right here or there, I’m wondering if it wouldn’t be cheaper (and much much less trouble) to lease an AirBnb/resort room for these visits? Dwelling possession is a large expense and trouble, and I wouldn’t enter into it except there’s a compelling purpose–monetary or in any other case–to take action. If, alternatively, she intends to spend portion of the yr within the DR, would possibly it take advantage of sense to promote her costly Denver dwelling and lease whereas she’s within the states? I believe figuring out how a lot time she’ll spend in every area will assist inform her alternative.

I’m a fan of long-term analysis and dreaming, so I believe Leigh may be very good to begin contemplating her choices now.

Leigh’s Query #3: Can I afford to chop again to 30 hours per week?

A phenomenal fall, mountain go hike in Colorado.

This is dependent upon what she decides to do relating to her Denver dwelling and her DR dream dwelling. Once more, it’s a query of with the ability to do some, however not all, of her desires.

Let’s break down the numbers:

  • Leigh’s present month-to-month take-home: $4,458 (I’m omitting the month-to-month little one assist fee since she famous that can finish when her youngest graduates from school)
  • Leigh’s present month-to-month spending: $3,601
  • Leigh’s month-to-month take-home if she lowered to 30 hours/week: $3,300

At her present spending degree, a lowered wage would put her at a $300 deficit each month, which isn’t tenable. Nevertheless, if Leigh is fascinated by lowering her month-to-month spending within the following discretionary classes, for instance, she’d be capable to break even on the very least:

  • Eating places: $230
  • Trip: $120
  • Items: $103
  • Miscellaneous: $87
  • Therapeutic massage: $60
  • Clothes: $52
  • Wine: $45
  • Pedicures: $40
  • Espresso: $40
  • Haircuts: $15
  • Dwelling Decor: $15

Sightseeing within the Dominican Republic

It’s a query of trade-offs and of what Leigh most desires to do. I’m assured Leigh might make her month-to-month bills work if she chooses to go all the way down to 30 hours per week, partly due to her detailed, rigorous expense monitoring.

The extent of element she supplied exhibits that she is certainly monitoring her spending each single month, which is the one method to create an correct image of your annual spending and the way it fluctuates all year long. Very nicely completed, Leigh! In the event you’re not monitoring your spending in granular particulars, I exploit and advocate the free service from Private Capital (affiliate hyperlink). Right here’s my full write-up on why.

One other key query is whether or not or not Leigh’s employer gives a match on her 401k contributions and if she would nonetheless qualify for that if she lowered to 30 hours?

Let’s spend a while looking at her belongings.

Leigh’s Property

As I discussed, Leigh’s main asset is her paid-off dwelling, which is valued at $630k-$650k. Setting that apart–since she’s residing in it–Leigh’s belongings whole $554,014 and are damaged down as follows:

1) Retirement: $374,064

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Leigh is on observe for a conventional retirement! Superior work, Leigh! Let’s test in with our retirement rule of thumb:

Intention to avoid wasting not less than 1x your wage by 30, 3x by 40, 6x by 50, 8x by 60, and 10x by 67 (Constancy).

Since Leigh is 49, we’ll go along with 6x by age 50, which might be [($4,458 x 12) = $53,496] x 6 = $320,976. Perfecto!

Leigh also needs to go forward and calculate her anticipated month-to-month Social Safety funds by following these directions on the right way to retrieve her earnings tables from (the federal government’s Social Safety web site). Figuring out the greenback quantity she will be able to count on to obtain from Social Safety each month is a useful consider her retirement finances. Basic word: Social Safety advantages enhance the later you begin taking them.

2) Money: $33,950

Leigh has a sturdy emergency fund right here, which is commendable! An emergency fund is money–held in a checking or financial savings account–that equals three to 6 months’ value of your bills. Leigh spends $3,601 per 30 days, which implies she ought to goal an emergency fund within the vary of  $10,803 (three months’ value) to $21,606 (six months’ value).

My query: why is that this unfold throughout three completely different accounts? If it had been me, I’d consolidate to at least one high-interest account. Leigh famous she’s not incomes any curiosity on this cash, which is a misplaced alternative. Though you’re not going to earn tens of millions of {dollars} by means of a high-interest financial savings account, you would possibly as nicely earn one thing. One thing is best than nothing! All the time query in case your cash isn’t incomes something! Right here’s the maths on that:

If Leigh moved this $33,950 into, for instance, American Specific’ Excessive Yield Financial savings account, which earns 0.65% curiosity as of this writing, in a single yr, her $33,950 would develop to $34,171 (affiliate hyperlink). She’d earn $221 per yr only for having her cash on this excessive curiosity account!

3) Taxable Investments: $52,000

Winter studying with George the fats tabby.

I’m not aware of the brokerage Thrivent–the place Leigh’s funding accounts are–so I checked out their web site and I’ve to say, I didn’t like what I noticed:

  1. They pressure you to name an advisor to be able to open/view their funding merchandise.
  2. They don’t clearly state their charges or expense ratios.

Each of this stuff point out one factor to me: they’re over-charging for his or her service. In all probability WAY over-charging. Now I is perhaps incorrect, however I’m prepared to wager two corndogs I’m not. Why pressure a buyer to work by means of an advisor and never share your charges publicly if the charges are low?

Given my countless curiosity, I googled round and discovered this PDF, which breaks down Thrivent’s charges. I’m owed two corndogs:

For the “reasonably aggressive allocation” (TMAAX) Leigh’s invested in, Thrivent is charging her an eye-watering 1.33% yearly. What does that imply for Leigh?

  • Leigh has a Roth IRA, a Conventional IRA and a taxable funding account by means of Thrivent, which whole: $261,064.
  • Thrivent prices her 1.33% yearly on that whole quantity AND they charged her 5.50% on her preliminary funding (that is referred to as a “gross sales cost” or “entrance finish cost”). Sure certainly, some unscrupulous funds skim off a proportion of your preliminary funding whenever you put your cash into their fund.
  • To calculate what Leigh is shedding in charges, I used this calculator from and enter the next variables:

If Leigh had been to stay invested in these funds for the subsequent 20 years, and the inventory market delivered its annual common 6% return, her investments will stand at $605,339 and she can have misplaced a complete of $231,929 to Thrivent, damaged down as follows:

   $121,781 in alternative prices (in different phrases, what the cash she paid to charges might’ve earned her if invested available in the market)

+ $110,148 in charges (in different phrases, funds to Thrivent)

$231,929 misplaced to Thrivent’s charges

A Colorado bluebird day hike by means of the snow.

That’s some huge cash! Like, A LOT OF MONEY! For this reason it’s so essential to know the expense ratios and costs in your funding accounts. It’s not a small factor, individuals! And whereas 1.33% would possibly sound small, it’s demonstrably not!!!!

I wish to level out that it’s not like Thrivent has some particular sauce they’re sprinkling onto her investments. There is just one inventory market, individuals. Thrivent is investing within the similar inventory market that I put money into, however I do it myself and pay solely 0.015% in charges yearly.

PANIC on the monetary disco!!!!

I wish to be crystal clear about one thing: I’m NOT blaming or shaming Leigh. This isn’t her fault. That is one thing MOST individuals don’t perceive and MOST individuals overpay and lose cash to excessive charges each single yr. This isn’t one thing she “ought to’ve recognized” or “is doing incorrect.” Slightly, it’s an incredible wake-up name to do one thing about it ASAP. Like, immediately.

I additionally really feel compelled to share how abhorrent I discover this as a result of Thrivent is a Lutheran firm. They purport they’ve, “…been serving to others reside extra beneficiant lives whereas guiding them on their monetary path” and that they, “…assist all Christian denominations obtain monetary readability.” In actuality, what they’re doing is charging individuals like Leigh out the nostril!

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To be clear, I’ve no drawback with companies earning money. Companies are presupposed to generate income! What I’ve an actual drawback with is a enterprise that purports to stick to Christian values whereas taking gross benefit of individuals like Leigh. It actually boils my blood. If you wish to cost excessive charges? Be upfront about it. Clarify to individuals–in plain English–what you’re charging them and why.

Clarify what you’re doing with Leigh’s $231,929. Clarify why it is best to take that cash away from her.

I hardly ever rant, however the ethical overtones of Thrivent’s advertising feels dangerous and disingenuous whenever you dig into what they’re charging individuals. Whew, okay, I’ll attempt to cool off right here.

Questioning the right way to discover a fund’s expense ratio? Try the tutorial in this Case Examine.

In STARK distinction to Thrivent, the next three brokerages provide DIY funding choices and are extraordinarily forthright about their charges:

  • Constancy’s Complete Market Index Fund (FSKAX) has an expense ratio of 0.015%
  • Charles Schwab’s Complete Market Index Fund (SWTSX) has an expense ratio of 0.03%
  • Vanguard’s Complete Market Index Fund (VTSAX) has an expense ratio of 0.04%

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What you’ll word with all of those brokerages is that they clearly determine this info on their web sites. Anybody can learn it, perceive it and put money into it on their very own. They’re happy with the providers they’re offering, so that they don’t attempt to cloak it behind intelligent advertising or pressure you to name an advisor.

Let’s check out the place Leigh’s cash can be if she had been as a substitute invested with a brokerage with an expense ratio of 0.015%:

  • If Leigh had been to stay invested for the subsequent 20 years, and the inventory market delivered its annual common 6% return, her investments would stand at $833,925 and he or she would’ve misplaced a complete of $2,031 in charges with a $1,311 alternative value. That’s an astronomical distinction from Thrivent.

If Leigh stays with Thrivent, she stands to pay them $231,929

If she switches to a brokerage with a 0.015% expense ratio, she’ll pay them a mere $3,342

I believe my recommendation with regard to Thrivent…

Sadly, Leigh’s employer-sponsored 401k is with TIAA-CREF, which can also be not recognized for low charges. I can’t discover the charges on Leigh’s 401k with out figuring out what it’s invested in at TIAA-CREF, however I urge her to do some digging to seek out that info. If Leigh’s employer gives one other brokerage choice for her 401k, she ought to examine these charges and examine them to TIAA-CREF’s.

4) Variable Annuity: $94,000

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On the whole, I’m not a fan of annuities due to the charges they cost. Annuities are basically a kind of insurance coverage, which implies you’re transferring some quantity of threat to the insurer. I believe the simplest method to describe a variable annuity is that it’s invested within the inventory market and you’ll obtain a specified proportion of cash as a pay-out as soon as you’re out of the buildup section and within the annuitization (pay-out) section.

You’re principally betting that this proportion will probably be larger than what the market can ship you by itself. For this threat mitigation, you’re paying decently excessive charges to your dealer. I encourage anybody trying into annuities to learn this web page from the US Securities and Alternate Fee ( Anytime a monetary skilled tries to promote you a product, really feel enfranchised to google it and browse up on it by yourself.

With most annuities, it’s not attainable to money them out with out incurring severe penalties. Nevertheless, Leigh ought to go forward and browse the prospectus for her particular variable annuity simply to verify there’s no choice for cashing this out with out incurring astronomical charges.

Abstract Recommendations for Leigh:

  1. Begin researching the method for buying a house within the Dominican Republic:
    • Housing costs.
    • The method/legal guidelines for getting a mortgage, taxes, insurance coverage, and so on.
    • The method/legal guidelines for renting out a property on AirBnb or as a long-term rental (referral hyperlink).
    • The supply of a property supervisor/AirBnb supervisor and cleaners.
    • Take into account how lengthy she’d be spending in every nation and whether or not it might make sense to personal properties in each places OR if it might be extra tenable to lease in a single location and personal within the different.
  2. Take into account the trade-offs for lowering her work to 30 hours/week:
    • There’s no proper or incorrect: it’s a query of trade-offs.
    • What’s she prepared to get rid of from her month-to-month finances to be able to reside on a smaller wage?
    • Is shopping for a house within the DR her #1 precedence? In that case, she’ll have to proceed working 40 hours per week to be able to afford it.
  3. Look into shifting her investments over to a brokerage that gives low-fee funding choices. Do that ASAP as she’s shedding cash daily to Thrivent’s extreme charges.
  4. Learn the prospectus on her variable annuity from Thrivent simply in case there’s a method for her to money this out with out incurring charges.
  5. Ask her HR division if there’s an choice apart from TIAA-CREF for her 401k. Learn up and examine the charges (aka expense ratios).
  6. Discover consolidating her money accounts and shifting them to a high-yield financial savings account in order that she’s incomes curiosity.
  7. Calculate her anticipated Social Safety funds, in order that she has a way of what to anticipate in retirement.
  8. Proceed contributing to her employer-sponsored 401k in order that she stays on observe for retirement.

Okay Frugalwoods nation, what recommendation do you may have for Leigh? We’ll each reply to feedback, so please be happy to ask questions!

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